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The pitch...

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:17 pm
by neilw
Looked dire yesterday and that's before the rugger buggers dig it up today. Not great considering IL chucked £50k at the problem a few months back.

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:11 pm
by Snake
There must be some money in the lower division of Wugby as the whole of the Leeds Carnegie entourage stayed at the relatively posh and not inexpensive Eynsham Hall overnight beforehand (http://www.eynshamhall.com/ ) and their players and staff were cluttering up the gym which I use yesterday, which was irritating. The really bad news is that Leeds lost so there is more chance of LW getting promoted.

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:17 pm
by Kernow Yellow
To be fair, it has been raining a fair bit lately. Our pitch is doing better than many at the moment.

Anyway, 'London' 'Welsh' might be off to Witney.

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:24 pm
by Sideshow Rob
If they think they will get bigger crowds in Witney rather than Oxford they must be mad. Further for their core support to travel too.

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:06 am
by Out of the gloom
Update: Traffic issues key to approval.
Planning documents here.

Hopefully they can overcome the traffic and parking issues; use land to the south as overspill parking, and be gone. All the best to them!

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:34 am
by OUFC4eva
Our pitch is poor but have a look at today's South Wales Argus
to see Newport's "pitch" - it's a disaster and the club is at it's lowest ebb.

They don't know what to do after SIX postponements.

Tuesday next week looks a massive doubt

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/ ... owest_ebb/

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:27 pm
by tomoufc
Very interesting report about London Welsh. So it seems that the problem they have at the Kassam is that we have primacy of tenure. I say good luck to them, in a nice way, not the way Kassam seems to. It's would certainly be preferable to have a good sporting facility in Witney, rather than another sainbury's supermarket, which appears to be the option should the move not go through.

One interesting consequence is that there'd be an additional stadium in Oxfordshire with decent capacity and facilities. One of the problems with our current situation is that we can't use the leverage of having an alliterative home available, to get Kassam to reduce his asking price. Not that a move to Witney for us would be anything other than terrible. But I just wander if it might alter the dynamics somewhat? Probably more important is that Kassam would get less rent from only having one tenant again, which apparently has an affect on the price of the stadium, and who would want to be secondary tenants now, having witnessed the experience of LW?

One final thought: if LW have the money to build an develop a new stadium, why don't they have the money to go for a joint bid with us for the Kassam?

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:40 pm
by slappy
tomoufc wrote:Very interesting report about London Welsh. So it seems that the problem they have at the Kassam is that we have primacy of tenure. I say good luck to them, in a nice way, not the way Kassam seems to. It's would certainly be preferable to have a good sporting facility in Witney, rather than another sainbury's supermarket, which appears to be the option should the move not go through.

One interesting consequence is that there'd be an additional stadium in Oxfordshire with decent capacity and facilities. One of the problems with our current situation is that we can't use the leverage of having an alliterative home available, to get Kassam to reduce his asking price. Not that a move to Witney for us would be anything other than terrible. But I just wander if it might alter the dynamics somewhat? Probably more important is that Kassam would get less rent from only having one tenant again, which apparently has an affect on the price of the stadium, and who would want to be secondary tenants now, having witnessed the experience of LW?

One final thought: if LW have the money to build an develop a new stadium, why don't they have the money to go for a joint bid with us for the Kassam?
Haven't you answered your own question - Primacy of tenure?

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:48 pm
by tomoufc
slappy wrote:
tomoufc wrote:Very interesting report about London Welsh. So it seems that the problem they have at the Kassam is that we have primacy of tenure. I say good luck to them, in a nice way, not the way Kassam seems to. It's would certainly be preferable to have a good sporting facility in Witney, rather than another sainbury's supermarket, which appears to be the option should the move not go through.

One interesting consequence is that there'd be an additional stadium in Oxfordshire with decent capacity and facilities. One of the problems with our current situation is that we can't use the leverage of having an alliterative home available, to get Kassam to reduce his asking price. Not that a move to Witney for us would be anything other than terrible. But I just wander if it might alter the dynamics somewhat? Probably more important is that Kassam would get less rent from only having one tenant again, which apparently has an affect on the price of the stadium, and who would want to be secondary tenants now, having witnessed the experience of LW?

One final thought: if LW have the money to build an develop a new stadium, why don't they have the money to go for a joint bid with us for the Kassam?
Haven't you answered your own question - Primacy of tenure?
No, in fact if LW and OUFC jointly bought the stadium, then all existing contracts could be torn-up, including primacy of tenure, meaning that LW could stay at the Kassam, enjoy the benefits of joint ownership and have equal rights to tenure (or however you would phrase it).

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:58 pm
by Hog
But the pitch would still be sh!t!

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:33 pm
by Myles Francis
tomoufc wrote:No, in fact if LW and OUFC jointly bought the stadium, then all existing contracts could be torn-up, including primacy of tenure, meaning that LW could stay at the Kassam, enjoy the benefits of joint ownership and have equal rights to tenure (or however you would phrase it).
You can't have equal primacy of tenure - that's the whole point of having the rule. It basically boils down to "if there were a clash of fixtures, who would have first dibs on the stadium?". At the moment, the answer to the question is OUFC.

However, I doubt the primacy of tenure is the real issue here. Premiership Rugby rules allow a club not to have primacy provided that they have an acceptable alternative ground which may be used, and that is the criteria London Welsh met when they won promotion to the Premiership. I suspect that they are more concerned about the financial implications of having to pay for use of the KasStad with crowds of less than 2,000. The StadCo accounts should be out any day now, so it will be interesting to see what they have been/are being charged.

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:08 pm
by GodalmingYellow
tomoufc wrote:
slappy wrote:
tomoufc wrote:Very interesting report about London Welsh. So it seems that the problem they have at the Kassam is that we have primacy of tenure. I say good luck to them, in a nice way, not the way Kassam seems to. It's would certainly be preferable to have a good sporting facility in Witney, rather than another sainbury's supermarket, which appears to be the option should the move not go through.

One interesting consequence is that there'd be an additional stadium in Oxfordshire with decent capacity and facilities. One of the problems with our current situation is that we can't use the leverage of having an alliterative home available, to get Kassam to reduce his asking price. Not that a move to Witney for us would be anything other than terrible. But I just wander if it might alter the dynamics somewhat? Probably more important is that Kassam would get less rent from only having one tenant again, which apparently has an affect on the price of the stadium, and who would want to be secondary tenants now, having witnessed the experience of LW?

One final thought: if LW have the money to build an develop a new stadium, why don't they have the money to go for a joint bid with us for the Kassam?
Haven't you answered your own question - Primacy of tenure?
No, in fact if LW and OUFC jointly bought the stadium, then all existing contracts could be torn-up, including primacy of tenure, meaning that LW could stay at the Kassam, enjoy the benefits of joint ownership and have equal rights to tenure (or however you would phrase it).
It is not either OUFC or LW or Kassam that requires or offers primacy of tenure, it is a requirement of both the football and rugby authorities.

The only difference of LW moving to Witney would be the return to single tenant status of the ground, which significantly affects sale value.

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:18 pm
by tomoufc
Well that's comprehensively cleared that up for me, thanks.

Returning to the subject of the pitch it the club have arranged an inspection at 9:30 tomorrow.

Re: The pitch...

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:52 am
by Out of the gloom