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Does anyone know when the F.A. or Football Conference will decide how to punish them for the incidents at the playoff semi against York?

I am not really sure how these Non-League matters are dealt with.

Some food for thought about Luton and the EDL and football hooligans in general:

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/artic ... mber=11183

&quottomoufc&quot wrote:Some food for thought about Luton and the EDL and football hooligans in general:

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/artic ... mber=11183

An interesting article. I think most people can see that the EDL are one of the biggest jokes going and that their membership is made up of cluless thugs. However to claim that the 'Petite bourgeoisie' are were facism is fostered is typical socialist chip-on-shoulder bollocks.

Is it 'petty' or 'petit'?

&quottomoufc&quot wrote:Some food for thought about Luton and the EDL and football hooligans in general:

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/artic ... mber=11183

UAF is probably the most fascist organisation in britain, if you go by the definition of the word 0_o

ive seen EDL protests, they arent violent, until the UAF trun up and attack them, so much for freedom of speech

&quotTethesis&quot wrote:

&quottomoufc&quot wrote:Some food for thought about Luton and the EDL and football hooligans in general:

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/artic ... mber=11183

UAF is probably the most fascist organisation in britain, if you go by the definition of the word 0_o

ive seen EDL protests, they arent violent, until the UAF trun up and attack them, so much for freedom of speech

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. When you say you've 'seen' EDL protests which side were you on? Where have UAF 'attacked' the EDL. What happens when UAF don't turn up? These facists are left to rampage pissed through our city centres attacking Asian, balck, gay people, trade unionists etc. Are you prepared to defend what the EDL/BNP did in Stoke?

All of these organisations have (strong?) elements of pathetic individuals who just want to cause trouble irrespective of the ideology behind their groups. Witness the utter arseholes who smash up half of London in the name of anti-war movements, G8 protests or tax hikes.

People are 100% entitled to the right to peaceful protest but the minute their cause is hijacked by people intent on violence they should report these individuals to the police or disband if they are unable/unwilling to do so for the good of society.

&quotBeach Road End&quot wrote:

&quottomoufc&quot wrote:Some food for thought about Luton and the EDL and football hooligans in general:

http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/artic ... mber=11183

An interesting article. I think most people can see that the EDL are one of the biggest jokes going and that their membership is made up of cluless thugs. However to claim that the 'Petite bourgeoisie' are were facism is fostered is typical socialist chip-on-shoulder bollocks.

'Petite Bourgeoisie' is a term (originally coined around the time of the French revolution I believe) that describes the middle class. What is meant by this is those that own a small business or undertaking, ususally either self-emoployed or employing a small amount of people. This has always been the class base of facist organisations.

When the memebership list of the BNP was published many were surprised to see that the majority of members were from middle-class professions - e.g. farmers, small business owners, musicians etc. So not the 'white working class' that many in the media like to portray the BNP as.

The EDL, however, represents an attempt to reach into some of the racist working class fanbases that still exist around the country by these middle-class facists.

&quotJoeyBeauchamp&quot wrote:
People are 100% entitled to the right to peaceful protest.

But you never recieve this right these days. You don't have to even be demonstrating to be killed by the Police. Look at the case of Ian Tomlinson...just an ordinary guy on his way home from work. Wrong place, wrong time.

&quottomoufc&quot wrote:

&quotJoeyBeauchamp&quot wrote:
People are 100% entitled to the right to peaceful protest.

But you never recieve this right these days. You don't have to even be demonstrating to be killed by the Police. Look at the case of Ian Tomlinson...just an ordinary guy on his way home from work. Wrong place, wrong time.

Yes you do - to take one isolated, albeit tragic case, to 'prove' you don't have the right to protest is illogical. Certainly the police can be accused of heavy-handedness when dealing with protests, but what came first - their aggressive attitude or the behaviour of elements of the crowd forcing their hand?

&quotJoeyBeauchamp&quot wrote:

&quottomoufc&quot wrote:

&quotJoeyBeauchamp&quot wrote:
People are 100% entitled to the right to peaceful protest.

But you never recieve this right these days. You don't have to even be demonstrating to be killed by the Police. Look at the case of Ian Tomlinson...just an ordinary guy on his way home from work. Wrong place, wrong time.

Yes you do - to take one isolated, albeit tragic case, to 'prove' you don't have the right to protest is illogical. Certainly the police can be accused of heavy-handedness when dealing with protests, but what came first - their aggressive attitude or the behaviour of elements of the crowd forcing their hand?

I was there mate. The police attacked us all day. The crowd were mainly middle-aged, included trade unionists, peace campaigners, old aged pensioners, children. We didn't (and neither did anyone else) want to 'start' anything, becuase we knew how violent the police are. In fact it was the police (or should I say the policing meathods) that created all of these problems. There are numerous reports of police brutality still being investigated. By the way how many protesters were convicted for doing anything illegal? A handful? I can only find 1 on the internet.

BTW you say &quotyes you do&quot, are you agreeing that you have to be on a demonstration to be killed by the Police? Have you ever heard of Stephen Lawrence? And before you shout 'bad apples' have you read the MacPherson report or heard about the recent findings of the Bloody Sunday enquirey?

&quotRoo&quot wrote:Does anyone know when the F.A. or Football Conference will decide how to punish them for the incidents at the playoff semi against York?

I am not really sure how these Non-League matters are dealt with.

Just to get back to the original question, does anyone now when this matter will be dealt with?

I think the procedure is that the FA are studying the evidence, and then will decide what to charge the clubs / players with.

The Northwich pitch invasion I think eventually ended up with both clubs charged with failing to control their players, and us with failure to control fans too. Took several months, and ended up I believe with fines and suspended fines.

Even Millwall-West Ham ended up with fines and no points deductions, so I can't see the FA or the Conference doing more than that.

This question was being muted around tonight funnily enough {at the pub} Some said that whatsisface Lee or someone would like to brush it under the carpet!!

Luton's punishment is a fittingly visual one: their new kit.