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More improperly registered players?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:42 am
by GodalmingYellow
I thnk this is the most important question that the Conference Board have avoided answering.

So I emailed them 5 days ago to ask them to confirm a) if they have reviewed the registrations of all others players, and b) to confirm that all other players who have been selected this season have been properly registered.

The silence of their lack of reply is deafening (normally they reply to emails within 2 to 3 days), and I am becoming persuaded that there are more problems which are being concealed, which if revealed would affect the outcome of the competition.

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:25 am
by Baboo
What is their email address GY?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:36 am
by Sideshow Rob

Re: More improperly registered players?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:49 am
by Mally
&quotGodalmingYellow&quot wrote:I thnk this is the most important question that the Conference Board have avoided answering.

So I emailed them 5 days ago to ask them to confirm a) if they have reviewed the registrations of all others players, and b) to confirm that all other players who have been selected this season have been properly registered.

The silence of their lack of reply is deafening (normally they reply to emails within 2 to 3 days), and I am becoming persuaded that there are more problems which are being concealed, which if revealed would affect the outcome of the competition.
It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. If there are other similar administrative errors that have been uncoverd (or remain to be uncovered because they haven't been properly audited) Brian Lee knows he wouldn't be able to survive the fall-out and the Conference would lose the last shreds of credibility it now holds.

Random checks are one thing but this could be a case of random penalties.

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:08 am
by slappy
GY welcome to the party - I don't think the Conference will give you a straight answer. Several others have asked the same questions over the last few months without ever getting a yes/no answer.

The closest so far is from the BBC site Lee happy statement &quotHe added that he has been told by the Conference office that they have found no other incidents of unregistered players being used.&quot

and also in the Non-League Paper 12 April
Q6. Did you backdate the checking procedure - or could there be other clubs who who have broken the rules and are as yet undetected?
&quotOur head office administration team are confident that the current procedures are robust and they they have checked all clubs' team sheets and there are none undetected.&quot


Whether they checked back retrospectively is of course not made explicitly clear in either statement.

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:11 pm
by Mally
&quotslappy&quot wrote: The closest so far is from the BBC site Lee happy statement &quotHe added that he has been told by the Conference office that they have found no other incidents of unregistered players being used.&quot
I have found no shit in the woods - but then again I haven't been out to look.

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:33 pm
by Hog
I sent the following letter by first class recorded delivery to Mr Lee on 3rd April. I have not even received an acknowledgement, much less a response.

Dear Mr Lee

The Points Deductions

I am writing to you as the apparent spokesperson for the Conference board re the ongoing player registration controversy as many people still have huge doubts about how the whole matter has been handled.

Since you announced the result of the internal review it has still not become clear whether the Conference has checked the registration of every player of every club who has appeared in a Conference game in the current season and I would ask that you confirm that this has, in fact, been done.

If the registration of every individual player who has appeared this season has NOT been checked please could you advise me why not?

If the registration of every single player HAS been checked can you advise me if any more errors were discovered and what process is being employed to deal with any new breaches discovered?

Do you acknowledge that none of the clubs who have been punished thus far took deliberate steps to deceive the League by playing unregistered players and that these were administrative errors only and that the League administration system in place at the time contributed to these errors?

You have been quoted in the national press as saying that you did not want to see points deducted from the ‘guilty’ clubs and that the League table should be decided on points gained on the pitch, not lost in the committee room. If that is what you believe, and as there were inherent problems with the reliability of the registration system in place when these errors were discovered and huge doubts about whether or not ALL clubs have been treated the same in respect of checking registrations (because only random checks seem to have been made) would it not be best for all concerned that the Conference make a conciliatory gesture and SUSPEND the points deduction?

I look forward to your early response.

Yours sincerely,

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:13 pm
by Baboo
What a good letter Mr Hog.
Mr Lee obviously has more important issues to deal with than answer your letter in an honest way. Top priority - presenting the Burton youth team with a trophy (snigger).

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:02 pm
by Ancient Colin
Rearrange the following words into a well known phrase or expression: wind into pissing the.

I just can't see the Conference doing anything and I just can't see the FA risking controversy and problems by overturning it. I really hope I am wrong but if there is any chance at all, it lies with the FA not the Coference.

I'll make the point again ... if the &quotnew&quot system requires all player registrations to be recorded on the team sheet then all clubs must know if all their current players were correctly registered (since, if they weren't, the clubs would not have a registration number). So we may be clutching at straws.

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:40 pm
by Hog
&quotAncient Colin&quot wrote:Rearrange the following words into a well known phrase or expression: wind into pissing the.

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Almost right there Colin. But you missed out an expletive (or two!).

Anyway, if we don't try we'll never know for sure (even if we do have a pretty good idea!)

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:06 pm
by Mally
&quotAncient Colin&quot wrote:Rearrange the following words into a well known phrase or expression: wind into pissing the.

I just can't see the Conference doing anything and I just can't see the FA risking controversy and problems by overturning it. I really hope I am wrong but if there is any chance at all, it lies with the FA not the Coference.

I'll make the point again ... if the &quotnew&quot system requires all player registrations to be recorded on the team sheet then all clubs must know if all their current players were correctly registered (since, if they weren't, the clubs would not have a registration number). So we may be clutching at straws.
True but there's a whole lot of difference between the club and the conference knowing about incorrectly registered players and going public with the information. Also just because they were correctly registered when the conference changed, sorry tightened up, the system it doesn't follow that they had been correctly registered all season.

If anything even looks like a straw I'm going to clutch at it.

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:02 pm
by GodalmingYellow
&quotMally&quot wrote:If anything even looks like a straw I'm going to clutch at it.
Me too. Anything to get away from this Godawful division, run by a bunch of clueless clowns.

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:04 pm
by GodalmingYellow
&quotslappy&quot wrote:GY welcome to the party - I don't think the Conference will give you a straight answer. Several others have asked the same questions over the last few months without ever getting a yes/no answer.

The closest so far is from the BBC site Lee happy statement &quotHe added that he has been told by the Conference office that they have found no other incidents of unregistered players being used.&quot

and also in the Non-League Paper 12 April
Q6. Did you backdate the checking procedure - or could there be other clubs who who have broken the rules and are as yet undetected?
&quotOur head office administration team are confident that the current procedures are robust and they they have checked all clubs' team sheets and there are none undetected.&quot


Whether they checked back retrospectively is of course not made explicitly clear in either statement.
I've written a third and longer letter to NLP again this week on this subject. Hopefully they will publish it again, with significantly less editing than the previous two.

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:18 am
by Myles Francis
The NLP reveals today that Histon have also fielded a player this season without international clearance, for which they were fined last week. This whole shambles just goes from bad to worse.

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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:27 am
by Sideshow Rob
&quotMyles Francis&quot wrote:The NLP reveals today that Histon have also fielded a player this season without international clearance, for which they were fined last week. This whole shambles just goes from bad to worse.
WHAT???!!!