Rage Online

Might as well have its own thread, just to keep things ticking over:

10% of Premiership managers sacked in one day (not to mention another who may have to step down through 'health' problems {now where have I heard that before}).

No surprise Adams has gone, they've been in freefall for a while, but wasnt expecting Scolari, though agree with AmershamWrighty that Mark Hughes has been fortunate to be allowed to still be in a job.

To me the interesting question in the Premiership this season, is to what extent the various problems being witnessed among the Top 4 (well, three of them) have been magnified by a sustained challenge to their cosy Champions League slots by Aston Villa.
Sure, for three of them the target had been the title, but having the new pretenders snapping at their heels cannot have helped, particularly at Arsenal who, given Evertons efforts, do not at the moment even look certain of the guaranteed UEFA slot.

Yes but Wenger is at no risk - because he's at a well-run club

The premier league has been pure comedy all season and keeps getting better. Thank god for Phil Brown, Steve Bruce, and Martin O'neill

&quotMooro&quot wrote:Might as well have its own thread, just to keep things ticking over:

10% of Premiership managers sacked in one day (not to mention another who may have to step down through 'health' problems {now where have I heard that before}).

No surprise Adams has gone, they've been in freefall for a while, but wasnt expecting Scolari, though agree with AmershamWrighty that Mark Hughes has been fortunate to be allowed to still be in a job.

To me the interesting question in the Premiership this season, is to what extent the various problems being witnessed among the Top 4 (well, three of them) have been magnified by a sustained challenge to their cosy Champions League slots by Aston Villa.
Sure, for three of them the target had been the title, but having the new pretenders snapping at their heels cannot have helped, particularly at Arsenal who, given Evertons efforts, do not at the moment even look certain of the guaranteed UEFA slot.

Behave! Arsenal are nailed in for top 5. I reckon they'll even finish above Chelsea. They're the basket cases.

Adams should never have been appointed. (Cheap option though.

Chelsea hire and fire with impunity. Absentee owner who doesn't like bad headlines, ('now where have I heard that before') . You should hear the die hard blues down my way. 'Wasn't it better when we were crap, drone zzzz'? Well they'll have that vista soon enough in my view.

Southgate will be next casualty.

OK we'll discuss it on this thread then.

I am interested to see how difficult it is to for Chelsea get a top class manager again regardless of the dosh they might throw at it due to how they have treated recenct incumbents.

For example, if they wanted Martin O'Neill, I think I know what his answer would be.

Give the manager time and you get Aston Villa following the Ferguson model established at ManU, twenty years earlier.

David Moyes is keeping Everton where they are after being forgiven for a poor season two years ago.

Pompey would do well to get Grant and finish outside the relegation slots. If they get Curbishley they will probably go down.

I don't think that Southgate will go unless he walks as he does have a patient chairman.

Wenger is an interesting one as his ethos runs deeper through the club than just the first team squad. What would they do if due to injuries they finished outside the top 4?

Mark Hughes will be replaced in the summer. Scolari perhaps.

I think Hughes will breathe a sigh of relief when he is sacked, poor chap. Imagine trying to run that madhouse.

Disappointed for Tony Adams, had his best players taken, given zilch budget and no time. Typical Premiershit approach to football management by the owners. The flip side is that Adams was not qualified for the job.

Chelski I'm not surprised about at all. Owner is an arse who must have everything his own way. That means he must have success, he must be able to interfere, he must get tot he latter stage of every competition, he must bring home trophies every season, he must have utopian football and he must always be top dog. I also think Olly Gark has some concerns about not reaching Champios League next season, and the effect on his pocket money.

Who will be next to go? Ignoring Kinnear who may depart on health grounds, Southgate must be close given he has been given a decent amount of time and Boro have moved backwards. Possibly Hughes purely based on the whim of an excessively rich owner, because Hughes is unable to glam up City sufficiently to get the best players to sign. As a long shot, the arguments over contract between Liverpool and Rafa, coupled with the Liverpool owners finacial black hole that has to be filled by the summer, may result in a parting of company, though I suspect the owners will go first.

Speaking of Liverpool, the owners stand to lose a very large shed load of cash. For those who aren't aware, I think I'm right in saying that the owners bought Liverpool using (relatively) short term fixed finance which must be redeemed this summer. The problem being that that was when loan finance was available on favourable terms and easy credit, and the chances of them being able to refinance for the same sum is now very slim.

Maybe my views are clouded by having several friends who support Man City, but I am pleasantly surprised and even reassured by the fact Mark Hughes has not been sacked. In the current climate, such knee-jerk reactions as sacking a manager after a brief dip in form increasingly seem the norm. And, whilst the Premiership table is still very tight, in recent weeks Man City have started winning again and moving back up the table. I also suspect (albeit based on my friends' biased views), that a lot of the lunacy surrounding Man City comes from outside the club, not inside.

&quotGodalmingYellow&quot wrote:...I think I'm right in saying that the owners bought Liverpool using (relatively) short term fixed finance which must be redeemed this summer. The problem being that that was when loan finance was available on favourable terms and easy credit, and the chances of them being able to refinance for the same sum is now very slim.

It's a loan from RBS, and it is being called in this summer. They've got no chance of refinancing it, so the expectation is that they'll be forced to sell. Given their well-publicised differences, that will be a fun time for the club.

&quotSmileyMan&quot wrote:

&quotGodalmingYellow&quot wrote:...I think I'm right in saying that the owners bought Liverpool using (relatively) short term fixed finance which must be redeemed this summer. The problem being that that was when loan finance was available on favourable terms and easy credit, and the chances of them being able to refinance for the same sum is now very slim.

It's a loan from RBS, and it is being called in this summer. They've got no chance of refinancing it, so the expectation is that they'll be forced to sell. Given their well-publicised differences, that will be a fun time for the club.

Thanks Smiley.

I wonder if their future might be placed in some jeapordy, if the present owners decide they want as much of their money back as possible, and potentia l buyers won't stump up the cash.

Actually I don't wonder, as Liverpool will have a queue of potential buyers, but it's fun to speculate.

&quotGodalmingYellow&quot wrote: Thanks Smiley.

I wonder if their future might be placed in some jeapordy, if the present owners decide they want as much of their money back as possible, and potentia l buyers won't stump up the cash.

Actually I don't wonder, as Liverpool will have a queue of potential buyers, but it's fun to speculate.

You're welcome!

My favourite scenario is that they default on the loan, and become the property of RBS who have been de facto nationalised! Sort of like MyFootballClub, but a weensy bit bigger.

&quotSmileyMan&quot wrote:

&quotGodalmingYellow&quot wrote: Thanks Smiley.

I wonder if their future might be placed in some jeapordy, if the present owners decide they want as much of their money back as possible, and potentia l buyers won't stump up the cash.

Actually I don't wonder, as Liverpool will have a queue of potential buyers, but it's fun to speculate.

You're welcome!

My favourite scenario is that they default on the loan, and become the property of RBS who have been de facto nationalised! Sort of like MyFootballClub, but a weensy bit bigger.

Do we then get to vote to drop Steven Gerrard every week, thus rendering them terminally crap for evermore........

Well, presumably each party would make promises for the future of LFC in their manifestoes.

&quotWe, the Conservative Party, promise to reduce welfare dependency, restrict bankers' bonuses, and play a 3-5-2 formation&quot

&quotSmileyMan&quot wrote:Well, presumably each party would make promises for the future of LFC in their manifestoes.

&quotWe, the Conservative Party, promise to reduce welfare dependency, restrict bankers' bonuses, and play a 3-5-2 formation&quot

We the Labour party insist on playing left wingers.

&quotSmileyMan&quot wrote:

&quotGodalmingYellow&quot wrote: Thanks Smiley.

I wonder if their future might be placed in some jeapordy, if the present owners decide they want as much of their money back as possible, and potentia l buyers won't stump up the cash.

Actually I don't wonder, as Liverpool will have a queue of potential buyers, but it's fun to speculate.

You're welcome!

My favourite scenario is that they default on the loan, and become the property of RBS who have been de facto nationalised! Sort of like MyFootballClub, but a weensy bit bigger.

Just reading about Liverpool searching for new funding. &quotThe search for new investors comes as a July deadline approaches to refinance the loan that funded the Americans' 218.9 million-pound takeover two years ago.

That financing package of around 250 million pounds must be renewed by July after a six-month extension was granted by the Royal Bank of Scotland and US investment bank Wachovia. But RBS may not be in a position to extend further financing.&quot

I wonder if Barclays would be happy running OUFC if for whatever reason it called in its charge on the club's assets? Somehow I doubt it.

&quotslappy&quot wrote:

&quotSmileyMan&quot wrote:

&quotGodalmingYellow&quot wrote: Thanks Smiley.

I wonder if their future might be placed in some jeapordy, if the present owners decide they want as much of their money back as possible, and potentia l buyers won't stump up the cash.

Actually I don't wonder, as Liverpool will have a queue of potential buyers, but it's fun to speculate.

You're welcome!

My favourite scenario is that they default on the loan, and become the property of RBS who have been de facto nationalised! Sort of like MyFootballClub, but a weensy bit bigger.

Just reading about Liverpool searching for new funding. &quotThe search for new investors comes as a July deadline approaches to refinance the loan that funded the Americans' 218.9 million-pound takeover two years ago.

That financing package of around 250 million pounds must be renewed by July after a six-month extension was granted by the Royal Bank of Scotland and US investment bank Wachovia. But RBS may not be in a position to extend further financing.&quot

I wonder if Barclays would be happy running OUFC if for whatever reason it called in its charge on the club's assets? Somehow I doubt it.

They wouldn't run it, the administrator would.