Testing Snake's theory

[Baboo]

[quote=&quotscooter&quot]
In the same way edging towards being sympathetic to immigration controls has nothing to do with racism, we are a multi ethnic society and I embrace that, it's just that we're pretty full up at the moment so lets make sure people coming here to live either have skills that can contribute to our society or are genuinely at risk and in need of safe haven. quote]

Absolutely.

Even the ex Archbish of Canterbury thinks so - &quotIt isn't racist to want a cap on immigration&quot The Times Wed Sept 20th.

[Hog]

I'd happily see anyone of the Premier League teams go out of business over Slumdon. I take more pleasure in seeing the one of the &quotbig four&quot lose than I do Slumdon losing.

Slumdon fans may be ugly inbreds (unlike Oxford fans of course) but at least they're supporting their local team. Their club is serving their community like our club supports ours.

I don't hate Slumdon. I hate the Premier League a whole lot more as it's doing more damage to our club, its fanbase, and its future. The Premier League can go fuck itself, Slumdon I simply don't care about.

People who &quothate&quot local rivals need to rethink their priortities.

Hold on Dan........ you have no right to tell people that they 'need to rethink their priorities'

I also hate the Premier League....for all of the reasons that you give and more, but that doesn't mean I cannot hate Sw*ndon too, (it's called multi-tasking!) not because I wish to cause them any physical harm but because they are our MOST fierce rivals.....and always will be. You will agree that I am a moderate person, I hope, but I will defend my right, and the right of others, to HATE Sw*ndon......
Thanks!

I guess that depends what you mean by &quothate&quot.

I love seeing Slumdon lose. I loved it when Joey came back. I hope Slumdon get relegated as far as possible.

But I don't hate Slumdon or their supporters and I wouldn't want them to go out of business.

I have a competitive rivalry which desires to see them do badly football wise. But I don't hate the inbreds.

Why didn't you hate Joey for coming back? Waster.

[Boogie]

Hate is to dislike intensely.

I do not have a problem with people disliking other teams intensely it's just boring and repetitive to hear the same chant every match.

&quotLove the rivalry&quot is often the other side of the hate coin. It's a thin line between love and hate......

I dislike the following clubs intensely:-

Leeds (my brother followed and for all the other reasons)
Liverpool (mainly for their fans costing us our European adventure)
Franchise FC.

I do not dislike Slumdon intensely but I do love the rivalry.

For that reason, I would not want Slumdon to go out of business and I would rather we played in the same league than passed each other on the way up /down (when we eventually start going back up the pyramid!)

[Dr Bob]

In the same way edging towards being sympathetic to immigration controls has nothing to do with racism, we are a multi ethnic society and I embrace that, it's just that we're pretty full up at the moment so lets make sure people coming here to live either have skills that can contribute to our society or are genuinely at risk and in need of safe haven. quote]

Absolutely.

I might possibly almost be able to buy this if those saying &quotit is not racist.....&quot did not then try to justify their position with meaningless drivel like &quotwe're pretty full up&quot.

To me, 'hate' is far too strong an emotion to direct to Slumdon. I have a deep connection with the old GWR bits of the town, I dislike the absurd roundabouts there. As for the football team, their presence gives me - indeed most of us, it would seem from this thread - a focus. Many of us like it when things go badly for them, but is that 'hate'? We exist and can define ourselves without them, but having them there can give us great pleasure....Schadenfreude, anyone? Swindonfreude, perhaps...

[Ascension Ox]

I think the angle on this discussion depends on how old a supporter you are. Growing up in the seventies the rivalry was immense. And no one who was at that smoke bomb game in 1982 will ever forget it. To say that there was 'edge' between the supporters that night is putting it mildly.

So in conclusion, I dislike Slumdon Town intensely, more than any other side in the league and always want to see them thrashed every week. If the Big 4 were playing them I'd want the prem side to win 10-0.

On the other hand I think the 'stand up if you hate song is bovine and boring'. And I never do and never will stand up.

I look forward to our next game against the scum with relish. Irrational dislike of teams in red is what football is all about.

[GodalmingYellow]

Oh dear typical PC overreaction by some as I expected.

I said I am not particularly enamoured with gay people, that doesn't mean I dislike them actively as a group or would not wish them to have equal rights within our society, it means I would not generally seek them out to be friends, as I find them often shallow and more interested in flouting their differences and trying to force reactions, in the same way as I wouldn't usually have much in common with death metal fans or people who think online football management games are a good way of socialising. That doesn't make me homophobic.

In the same way edging towards being sympathetic to immigration controls has nothing to do with racism, we are a multi ethnic society and I embrace that, it's just that we're pretty full up at the moment so lets make sure people coming here to live either have skills that can contribute to our society or are genuinely at risk and in need of safe haven.

And in respect of Liverpool I accept I am scousephobic and would welcome the red part of the city being destroyed by a plague of locusts.

Disappointing that you regard the responses as &quotPC&quot. I think this thread has largely been one of good quality debate.

Interesting that you are the only person to have mentioned racism in connection with immigration.

The question I put to you, which you have not answered, is what would you do in terms of immigration control, over an above what is already in place?

I don't think anyone accused you of homophobia either. I don't think anyone wants someone else's sexuality shoved in their face. But your reply goes further than that, to make sweeping generalisations about gay people, death metal fans and other groups, which without wishing to sound offensive, maybe tells us a little more about you than the groups you mention.

BTW, are you going to the OxVox meeting tomorrow? If so, would you mind coming to introduce yourself?

[GodalmingYellow]

I think the angle on this discussion depends on how old a supporter you are. Growing up in the seventies the rivalry was immense. And no one who was at that smoke bomb game in 1982 will ever forget it. To say that there was 'edge' between the supporters that night is putting it mildly.

So in conclusion, I dislike Slumdon Town intensely, more than any other side in the league and always want to see them thrashed every week. If the Big 4 were playing them I'd want the prem side to win 10-0.

On the other hand I think the 'stand up if you hate song is bovine and boring'. And I never do and never will stand up.

I look forward to our next game against the scum with relish. Irrational dislike of teams in red is what football is all about.

Rivalry, no matter how intense, has nothing to do with hatred.

[Matt D]

&quotLove the rivalry&quot is often the other side of the hate coin.

that's a good way of putting things.

seeing that Slumdon have lost certainly gladdens my heart. but, two things are probably a bit different for me:

1. i wish that the proportion of time expressing our dislike of Slumdon and love of oxford at games was a bit more in favour of the latter,

2. as we've discussed before, probably for reasons of age, and certainly because i grew up in buckinghamshire, wycombe wanderers have always been a bigger deal for me than Slumdon.

[slappy]

Anyway, of the 55 players we’ve used in the fist team in the last 14 months statistically some of them will have been gay. Certainly, lots of them were black and probably originated from a country many people will recognise as not being England.

Any psychologists care to explain if this is a freudian slip?

[A-Ro]

Anyway, of the 55 players we’ve used in the fist team in the last 14 months statistically some of them will have been gay. Certainly, lots of them were black and probably originated from a country many people will recognise as not being England.

Any psychologists care to explain if this is a freudian slip?

Chuckbert beat you to it.

[Geoff]

The main reason I want Slumdon to be relegated is so we can play them again. We always have above average crowds for those games which helps to boost the coffers.

The only club I would like to see relegated year after year until they go below AFC Wimbledon is Franchise FC.

[GodalmingYellow]

The main reason I want Slumdon to be relegated is so we can play them again. We always have above average crowds for those games which helps to boost the coffers.

The only club I would like to see relegated year after year until they go below AFC Wimbledon is Franchise FC.

You might not have long to wait for that.

[Pe├▒a Oxford United]

Absolutely.

Even the ex Archbish of Canterbury thinks so - &quotIt isn't racist to want a cap on immigration&quot The Times Wed Sept 20th.

Not sure why &quoteven&quot would be a relevant term here, or why I'd think the Times was an unlikely place to read ill-informed and brutish opinions.

I think what I most dislike about the whole thing is the way people want to play the victim, as if expressing certain opinions was incredibly brave and difficult. It's likely (an immigrant writes to be a great deal more difficult of whoever's on the sharp end of whatever accelerated immigrant-kicking (oh, sorry, I mean &quotwe have to klook after our own people first&quot) the recession brings.

[The point being that no, it's not racist in and of itself to call for greater immigration controls: but a lot of the assumptions and statements involved are racist in nature. How quick many people people are to assume immigrants are a problem. How keen they are to think it.]

Anyway, back to the Slumdon thing. I agree with AO about the stupid &quotstand up&quot song and I agree with KY that it has often a lot to do with whether or not one originates from Oxford. YFD doesn't, I don't either.

[ty cobb]

I've always been confused by the fanzines (and this sites) policy to Slumdon, on the one hand no pro Slumdon stuff allowed, on the other it publishes this

&quotOxford is close in terms of geography and I want Slumdon to win every time we play them no, I lie, I want us to absolutely play them off the park and go away laughing: I don't want the best team to win. I want the Town to win irrespective of whether we play well or not I also want Joey Beauchamp to drop a clanger&quot

http://www.rageonline.co.uk/mainpage.ph ... niceoxford

I enjoy the Slumdon games because as with any local derby it's an occasion, something to look forward to all week, the atmosphere is always brilliant.

That is only so if there is a bit of 'hatred' between the two sets of fans so I don't think it should be discouraged. Otherwise we end up having a local derby like Wycombe where it is just another mundane game of football.

All the best and most fierce local derbys are (unfortunitly) based on hatred.

[Roo]

Hate is to dislike intensely.

I do not have a problem with people disliking other teams intensely it's just boring and repetitive to hear the same chant every match.

&quotLove the rivalry&quot is often the other side of the hate coin. It's a thin line between love and hate......

I dislike the following clubs intensely:-

Leeds (my brother followed and for all the other reasons)
Liverpool (mainly for their fans costing us our European adventure)
Franchise FC.

I do not dislike Slumdon intensely but I do love the rivalry.

For that reason, I would not want Slumdon to go out of business and I would rather we played in the same league than passed each other on the way up /down (when we eventually start going back up the pyramid!)

Can we just clear one thing up.....I don't think ANYONE wants Sw*ndon to go out of business, I HATE them but I DO NOT want them to go out of business.......relegation? YES., financial turmoil? YES., Horrible problems on and off the field? YES., losing their ground? YES............ Going out of business? NO WAY!........I want them to be shit and suffer like we have....but most of all I want to play them and beat them....maybe even at their nasty little hovel...........but I DON'T want them to cease to exist.

I DO want Franchise to go bust though..........even if I don't hate them as much as Sw*ndon!