The List

[Pe├▒a Oxford United]

Pettefer is a shadow of last season's player.

When you think about it we could do with a few shadows in the squad.

I mean at least they can keep up and never lose their man.

[YF Dan]

I know Yemi's final ball ain't great, but just out of curiosity, who at the club delivers that killer pass?

I must have missed it (for the past xxxx seasons.

[Snake]

Petterfer – contract expires at the end of the season.
Hutchinson – contract expires at the end of the 2008/9 season.
Jeannin - contract expires at the end of the 2008/9 season (apparently, given he’s played 25 games for Us)
Duffy - contract expires at the end of the season.
Corcoran - contract expires at the end of the season but there is a 1 year option.
Day - contract expires at the end of the season.

I can’t see a lot of interest being generated with this “please fuck off

[OUFC4eva]

The transfer list should also contain the names Joel Ledgister
and Yemi Odubade. Trainer escapes by the skin of his teeth.

I don't trust these two (Ledgister &amp Odubade)

[Kernow Yellow]

Debating who should be in the list and who should not misses the point, in my opinion. They're all playing like a shower of shit.

I'm with Ancient Colin on this one. The 'basics' that our players aren't doing are things that they should be being trained to do. The fact that they are not doing them reflects just as badly on Patto as the players. He's been training the team for the last year or so, after all. It's all been said before, but the way we take and 'defend' throw-ins, and take free kicks and corners, is a disgrace that would not be tolerated at Raging Fever level. No other team is as bad as us at this. This is a failure of coaching and management.

Unless Patto has people lined up that he knows will come if we get rid of any of 'the list', then I don't understand what he's trying to achieve. Is he really trying to get rid of them? Or is it one last, desperate attempt to motivate them?

I'll be amazed if this team looks any better without Duffy, to be honest. Patto should be concentrating on getting some service to his strikers, rather than publicly berating them for not chasing lost causes. He got it right once - eventually - with two wingers against Altrincham, but then bottled it against Weymouth, messed the midfield right up at Salisbury, and now it's all the players fault that we're losing again.

Look at the teams at the top of this league - they score bags of goals, and frequently concede 2 or 3 in a game as well. They try and win games by attacking. I don't think Patterson and Lewis understand how to do that. Which is why I think they are the wrong people to be in charge of our football team at the moment.

[Jimski]

I thought Patterson described Jeannin (very recently) as the best dead ball specialist in this division, or something similar. Whether or not you agree with him(!), it seems a bit odd to suddenly say that he's one of the ones to be offloaded ASAP.

Note: this has nothing to do with my own personal views on Jeannin, just on the seeming inconsistency of managerial thought here.

[GodalmingYellow]

Very disappointed Corcoran is listed.

Slightly disappointed Pettefer is listed.

Glad Yemi is not listed.

Very disappointed Willmott is not listed.

Glad Marvin isn't listed, provided he is dispensed with in the Summer.

Still undecided on Anaclet.

Glad Rose isn't listed.

Disappointed Trainer isn't listed.

Happy with all the other decisions on who stays and who goes.

No problem with any of today's decisions. Poor old Eddie Anaclet. Two nasty injuries since 1 October and some people want him out. He's Ok. This list tells me Wilmott is almost fit. Why else? Yemi HAS to stay. He's the only player with any pace.

Pettefer is a shadow of last season's player.

I didn't say I wanted him out, I said I'm undecided.

Whether he is injured or not is irrelevant to that. The decision whether to keep him or not should be based on his ability, and he simply can't go past a defender, which is something of a requirement for a winger. I prefer him at right back to be honest and he deserves a chance post injury to show what he's worth, but if he can't show us this season that he can progress, he's another who will need to be released in the summer.

[GodalmingYellow]

Debating who should be in the list and who should not misses the point, in my opinion. They're all playing like a shower of shit.

I'm with Ancient Colin on this one. The 'basics' that our players aren't doing are things that they should be being trained to do. The fact that they are not doing them reflects just as badly on Patto as the players. He's been training the team for the last year or so, after all. It's all been said before, but the way we take and 'defend' throw-ins, and take free kicks and corners, is a disgrace that would not be tolerated at Raging Fever level. No other team is as bad as us at this. This is a failure of coaching and management.

Unless Patto has people lined up that he knows will come if we get rid of any of 'the list', then I don't understand what he's trying to achieve. Is he really trying to get rid of them? Or is it one last, desperate attempt to motivate them?

I'll be amazed if this team looks any better without Duffy, to be honest. Patto should be concentrating on getting some service to his strikers, rather than publicly berating them for not chasing lost causes. He got it right once - eventually - with two wingers against Altrincham, but then bottled it against Weymouth, messed the midfield right up at Salisbury, and now it's all the players fault that we're losing again.

Look at the teams at the top of this league - they score bags of goals, and frequently concede 2 or 3 in a game as well. They try and win games by attacking. I don't think Patterson and Lewis understand how to do that. Which is why I think they are the wrong people to be in charge of our football team at the moment.

Defending starts with the attackers closing down the opposition defenders. Harrassing them to give the ball away freely. That's one of the things Duffy doesn't do that most strikers do. Moving in to space behind the last defender is a classic target man trick. That's another thing that Duffy doesn't do. Yes he wins the ball in the air a lot, but his flick ons are always random in direction. No partner can second guess where they will end up. That's another thing Duffy doesn't do. Holding the ball up. He doesn't do this despite the protestations of some. He challenges for the ball, and often wins it, but this is nearly always followed immediately by a pass back into midfield. He never holds it up to allow midfielders ot join the attack. That's another thing he doesn't do. Pace. That's another thing he doesn't do. Ball control. That's another thing he doesn't do. His strengths are finishing on the occassion that he gets into position, penalty taking, and winning free kicks. It isn't enough.

Sure we don't supply enough creative ball for the strikers, but a lot of that comes down to the midfielders and defenders being under so much pressure all the time because the forwards don't hold the ball up and we lose all link up play.

Yemi should be played as a right winger where the only decisins he has to make are inside or outside, long or short. Even though he is top scorer, Yemi is no striker either.

[GodalmingYellow]

I've got a lot of sympathy for the we don't do the basics right argument, which is down to Patto and Smith.

Given that, the players should be spending training time on passing, movement, dead ball variations and providing cover for each other, breaking quickly from defence, holding the ball up and most importantly of all, retaining possession.

[Ascension Ox]

Very disappointed Corcoran is listed.

Slightly disappointed Pettefer is listed.

Glad Yemi is not listed.

Very disappointed Willmott is not listed.

Glad Marvin isn't listed, provided he is dispensed with in the Summer.

Still undecided on Anaclet.

Glad Rose isn't listed.

Disappointed Trainer isn't listed.

Happy with all the other decisions on who stays and who goes.

No problem with any of today's decisions. Poor old Eddie Anaclet. Two nasty injuries since 1 October and some people want him out. He's Ok. This list tells me Wilmott is almost fit. Why else? Yemi HAS to stay. He's the only player with any pace.

Pettefer is a shadow of last season's player.

I didn't say I wanted him out, I said I'm undecided.

Whether he is injured or not is irrelevant to that. The decision whether to keep him or not should be based on his ability, and he simply can't go past a defender, which is something of a requirement for a winger. I prefer him at right back to be honest and he deserves a chance post injury to show what he's worth, but if he can't show us this season that he can progress, he's another who will need to be released in the summer.

Eddie is a decent player. Who we've missed. Wherever he plays.

[GodalmingYellow]

No problem with any of today's decisions. Poor old Eddie Anaclet. Two nasty injuries since 1 October and some people want him out. He's Ok. This list tells me Wilmott is almost fit. Why else? Yemi HAS to stay. He's the only player with any pace.

Pettefer is a shadow of last season's player.

I didn't say I wanted him out, I said I'm undecided.

Whether he is injured or not is irrelevant to that. The decision whether to keep him or not should be based on his ability, and he simply can't go past a defender, which is something of a requirement for a winger. I prefer him at right back to be honest and he deserves a chance post injury to show what he's worth, but if he can't show us this season that he can progress, he's another who will need to be released in the summer.

Eddie is a decent player. Who we've missed. Wherever he plays.

Disagree. He's been mediocre so far.

[Matt D]

Or is it one last, desperate attempt to motivate them?

this is my concern. i worry that patterson's time with the youth team was all about getting the best out of a set of players who had little expectation placed on them, given the league they were in, and having to instill confidence in them (or at least that's my impression - someone who knew that season better can tell me if i'm wrong).

the situation now is quite different - patterson may say that these players are playing for their careers, but they're not in the same way that a youth team player competes for a contract, and for these players, there's a weight of expectation placed on them.

patterson knows the mindset of the players concerned much better than me, so i'll wait and see, but this isn't a management decision that inspires me with confidence. still, with the exeter game on tv, and with players on this list being 'in the shop window', i look forward to a fully motivated display!

[theox]

It's fairly pointless arguing who should be on the list and who shouldn't.

They're all crap and should all be sacked due to lack of performance. If I was that useless/work-shy in my employment, I'd be out on my ear.

Even players who were once reasonable have been turned into donkeys by the seemingly diabolical training methods at the club.

[Ascension Ox]

I didn't say I wanted him out, I said I'm undecided.

Whether he is injured or not is irrelevant to that. The decision whether to keep him or not should be based on his ability, and he simply can't go past a defender, which is something of a requirement for a winger. I prefer him at right back to be honest and he deserves a chance post injury to show what he's worth, but if he can't show us this season that he can progress, he's another who will need to be released in the summer.

Eddie is a decent player. Who we've missed. Wherever he plays.

Disagree. He's been mediocre so far.

Look at our results with and without Anaclet this season.

[Radley Rambler]

[quote=&quotKernow Yellow&quot] It's all been said before, but the way we take and 'defend' throw-ins, and take free kicks and corners, is a disgrace that would not be tolerated at Raging Fever level. quote]


Sorry Jon I disagree - we tolerate this and a lot more week in week out at Raging Fever. Right Boris??